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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening, i'm judy woodruff. gwen ifill is away. on the newshour tonight, from his income taxes to his foundation, donald trump faces a string of controversies, while hillary clinton talks economics on the trail. then, in a shocking vote, voters in colombia reject a landmark peace deal with rebels that would have ended five decades of conflict. and, as isis clings to its last major base in iraq, joint forces team up to take back the city of mosul and push the terrorist group out of the country forever. >> this road is the frontline before getting to isis controlled mosul, and all along the front line here it is divided up between the various groups who are fighting isis.
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>> yang: hillary clinton pounced on donald trump may have avoid income taxes to say he might not be the businessman he says he. >> yesterday his campaign was bragging it makes him a genius. here's my question, what kind of genius loses a billion dollars? this is trump to a t. he's taking corporate excess and made a business model out of it. >> yang: the "new york times" showed a 1995 trump tax return showing $916 million loss from real estate and other business failures, that could have allowed him to avoid taxes for 18 years. the clinton campaign
produce add tv ad on the issue. >> a new report shows he may not have paid any federal taxes for almost 20 years.
>> he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> if he thinks that makes him smart, what does he think of you. >> yang: in a rally in colorado, trump fired back today. >> as a businessman and real estate developer i have
used the tax laws to my benefit and the benefit of my company, my investors and my employees. honestly, i have brilliantly used those laws. i have often said on the campaign trail that i have a fiduciary responsibility to pay no more tax than is legally required, like anybody else -- (cheers and applause) -- or, to put it another way, to pay as little tax as legally possible. >> it's over. >> yang: the republican nominee is under fire on several other fronts including allegation he is routinely demeaned women on his reality tv
show "the apprentice " . females were ordered to wear shorter dresses, openedly discussed which ones he would like to sleep with and made lewd comments about women on the show and on the crew. in add cigs trump was rid crit sized comments made about p.t.s.d. sufferers. >> when people come back from war in combat and they see things a lot of the folks in this room have seen in this room and can handle it but a lot can't. >> yang: mike pence campaigned in virginia, democratic running mate tim kaine was off the campaign trail, they meet tomorrow night for their one and only debate.
for the pbs "newshour". i'm. >john yang. >> woodruff: in the day's other news, hurricane "matthew" bore down on haiti, with winds of 140 u.s. relations with russia hit a new low today. washington called off talks with moscow on the conflict in syria, amid fierce air attacks on the city of aleppo. the state department said the mmitments they made in a russia and the syrian regime have chosen to pursue a military course inconsistent with the cessation of hostilities is demonstrated by intensified attacks against civilian area, targeting of critical infrastructure such as hospitals, preventing humanitarian aid from reaching civilians in need. >> woodruff: earlier, russian president vladimir putin suspended a deal with the u.s. on disposing of weapons-grade plutonium. he cited "unfriendly actions" and u.s. failure to meet its obligations under the agreement.
hurricane "matthew" bore down on haiti, with winds of 140 miles per hour and up to 40 inches of rain. it's one of the strongest atlantic storms in recent years, and late today, it was centered about 230 miles southwest of port-au-prince, the haitian capital. outer bands of wind and rain were already battering the impoverished country's southwestern tip. the eye is expected to pass near, or over, that area late tonight. the state of ohio will resume executing condemned prisoners, in january. that follows an unofficial, three-year moratorium due to shortages of lethal drugs. but today, the state attorney general's office said it now has a new, three-drug combination. attorneys for death row inmates immediately said they'll file a new court challenge. los angeles police are facing protests over a fatal shooting saturday. officers say they chased and ultimately killed an 18-year-old black man, carnell snell, after he jumped from a car that had faulty license plates. the incidents sparked protests last night.
but today, police chief charlie beck said snell had a loaded weapon. >> at one point during their foot pursuit, which was 200 to 300 yards in total, they observed him remove a handgun from his waist band and hold it in his left hand. while holding the handgun in his left hand, he turned in the direction of the pursuing officers, at which time an officer involved shooting occurred. >> woodruff: beck also defended police actions in a second fatal shooting. he said a hispanic man pointed what turned out to be a replica handgun at officers, and they opened fire. the u.s. supreme court opened its fall term today, and refused a white house appeal to re-hear a key immigration case. in june, the court tie-voted on the president's policy of shielding millions of immigrants from deportation. so, a lower court ruling against the plan, remains in effect. the court has had only eight members since justice antonin scalia died in march. this was "black monday" in
poland: with thousands of women wearing black and protesting against a bill imposing a total ban on abortion. demonstrators nationwide shut down businesses and government offices and blocked roads. later, they held a huge rally in warsaw. poland is heavily catholic, and already has one of the most restrictive abortion laws in europe. a japanese biologist has won this year's nobel prize in medicine. yoshinori ohsumi was honored today for discoveries on how cells break down and recycle. his work in the 1990's may now aid research on fighting cancer, alzheimer's and other diseases. in japan today, oshumi said he never imagined his experiments with yeast would mean a nobel. >> ( translated ): there is one thing i would like to stress. when i began this research, there was no assurance whatsoever that it would lead to some connection with cancer or human longevity, that's not why i started. such is the nature of how
fundamental research unfolds, and i stress the importance of the fundamentals of science. >> woodruff: along with a nobel medal, ohsumi receives prize money worth $930,000. and on wall street today, the dow jones industrial average lost 54 points to close below 18,254. the nasdaq fell 11 points, and the s&p 500 slipped seven. still to come on the newshour, a shocking result, colombia voters reject a deal to end 50 years of war. the impending battle to recapture mosul from the islamic state. a heated race for new hampshire's senate seat, and much more. >> woodruff: now to a major upset in south america. yesterday, voters in colombia rejected a peace deal between their government and the largest rebel group, known as the farc.
it was hoped the deal would put an end to 50-plus years of conflict that's left hundreds of thousands of people dead. william brangham has the latest. >> brangham: sunday's stunning outcome in colombia touched off celebrations in parts of bogota. voters narrowly rejected a peace accord with the revolutionary armed forces of colombia, or farc, this, despite predictions it would win easily. >> ( translated ): we've all been victims of the farc and this victory is calling to the government to renegotiate the agreements, not to hand over the country to the farc. it's very emotional. this is what colombia wants. >> brangham: but "yes" voters complained opponents of the peace deal were misguided. >> ( translated ): 50% of the people who went out to vote allowed themselves to be convinced by a message of hate, a message of revenge, a message of keeping us in the past. >> brangham: the government and the leftist rebels signed the peace pact one week ago after four years of negotiations.
it would formally end a conflict that's claimed at least 220,000 lives since the 1960's, and displaced millions more, but it still needed ratification. after sunday's rejection, president juan manuel santos and the top farc commander appealed for calm. >> ( translated ): i call on those who decided to or not to support the agreement to end the conflict with the farc. now we are all together going to decide between the path that we should take so that peace is possible. i will not give up. >> ( translated ): the farc maintains its willingness for peace and reiterates its position to use only words as weapons to work towards the future. to the colombian people, who dream of peace, you can count on us. peace will win out. >> brangham: even former president alvaro uribe, a leader of the "no" campaign, warned against reprisals. >> ( translated ): we all want peace. nobody wants violence. we ask that the farc are
protected and that all crimes including drug trafficking and extortion are stopped. >> brangham: the united states had backed the accord, and today, a white house spokesman voiced hope: >> the good news is that all sides including the voters, i think, are still focused on trying to reach this negotiated peace, and that certainly is within the national security interests of the united states to end this war and we are going to encourage all sides to pursue that peace. >> brangham: for now, a cease- fire remains in effect, as negotiators ponder the way forward. to help us understand the future of this peace process, we're joined now by someone intimately involved in securing the deal in the first place. bernard aronson was the u.s. special envoy for talks between the colombian government and the farc rebels. welcome. 50 years of fighting, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, millions of people pushed out of their homes. why did voters reject this peace
plan? >> well, i think the woman who spoke about it in your introduction spoke for a lot of colombians which is they have suffered enormously, they have been victimized, they're bitter about that, rightfully so, and they felt the f.a.r.c. got off too easy in this peace accord. whether that's true or not sup to debate, but many colombians felt that way and by a small majority rejected the accord. >> brangham: 50 to 49, almost. the argument many made was that the f.a.r.c. were involved in drug trafficking, killings, kidnappings, extortion, and to them this deal felt like the f.a.r.c. was able to walk away scot-free. is that legitimate? >> it isn't true they were going to wake away scot-free. the agreement set up a system of justice, all the f.a.r.c. members accused of war crimes, atrocities or violations of human rights had to g go before
the tribunals, confess any crimes and activities, give up gains they made frit and abide by sanctions of the court, which include restrictions of liberty, though maybe not prison, and maybe work such as spending five to eight years removing land minus. but the people in colombia whose family were kidnapped or moved off their land, they felt that wasn't appropriate punishment, and that's the discussion that has to go forward between the government and the opposition. >> brangham: before the vote was held, the government said if the vote is no, we're not coming back to the negotiating table, the f.a.r.c. said the same thing. where does the leave the people? >> you heard president santos, in fact, say, they are going to try to renegotiate. he's trying to reach out to a broad sphek drum of colombian
leadership including the no campaign which is obviously at the table now and see if they can come up with a new consensus they can discuss with the f.a.r.c. whether they will get there or not is an open question, but this president has been rerentless in his pursuit of peace. >> brangham: you've worked with the f.a.r.c. leaders intimately over the years. do you think they will tolerate a further conversation where all of a sudden the government says i know we have a deal but now we have a new deal to work out and you guys will have to be punished more severely. >> right, it's not an easy sell. on the other hand, if the opposition can be tbrowght into the deal so there is a national consensus behind it, that's good for the peace process and the f.a.r.c. because with a country as divided as colombia is today, to go forward with the agreement you could have made ate political foot ball, the opposition, it could be observe stucted and torn apart.
the hope is to create a national consensus that will be enduring and unite the country. >> brangham: one let's say they are reunited. one of the things is the f.a.r.c. rebels would be disarmed and some of the soldiers would be reintegrated into society. many understanding is many are very young people. how does someone who's lived their entire life as a guerilla soldier suddenly put down arms and reintegrate into society? >> colombia has a long history over the last 20 to 30 years of reintegrating and demobilizing guerilla forces. they teach the young fighters to read and write, if they're not literate. they teach them a job skill, reunite them with their families, provide housing and a direct job opportunity. it's not 100% foolproof but they have a good track record of demobilizing guerilla forces. >> brangham: you are someone
who's worked in the region for decades and know the players involved independently. in light of this vote, do you have any sense of hope that this will be restarted in meaningful way? >> colombians on the yes and no vote want peace. they don't want war. they want a negotiated settlement. so i don't think it's possible they can come together on a new consensus. getting the f.a.r.c. to give up what they had and go to different set of agreements is not going to be easy, but they don't have other options. they don't want to go back to war and war is not an option for them, so this is an uphill fight, but getting to the peace accords was a very long and tore clues -- torturous process. president santos wants to do tha,and the united states obviously supports him. >> brangham: bernard aronson, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you.
>> woodruff: now, the first of three reports this week on the fight for iraq. 13 years after the u.s. military invasion, the country still struggles to stand on its own as it faces profound challenges, none more dire than the threat posed by the islamic state, which controls parts of the country. tonight, in partnership with the pulitzer center on crisis reporting, special correspondent jane ferguson and producer jon gerberg look at the coming, crucial battle to reclaim the city of mosul from isis, and to drive it from iraq once and for all. >> reporter: hungry and crushed together in the punishing sun, these iraqis, refugees in their own land, desperately grasp for food. they have fled, south of mosul city where fighting between government forces and isis has been raging for months. new offensives have isis in
retreat, but with their homes, and all they know, engulfed in the battle, they have come here. escaping from mosul just days ago, this woman says she and her family of seven were lucky to get away. running away from isis is dangerous, and she did not want to be identified. >> ( translated ): there are many people who want to leave, but cannot. the ones they catch they break their legs. they use a block on the sidewalk and break their legs. if the person has already gone very far they just kill them. >> reporter: we are 60 miles from mosul. just up the road, these troops are fighting the isis insurgency. iraqi special forces have already pushed isis from many areas of the country. the battles have been tough, destroying almost everything in sight. the iraqi army has fought for months over these areas south of mosul city.
swathes of land and villages just like this, that they have been pushed out of. but even though they re-took this land several months ago civilians have yet to return. those soldiers now have their sites set north, planning to take back the city of mosul, the islamic state's last remaining major urban base in iraq. at 23, mahmoud has fought and won several battles against the group. and these men are ready to take mosul. >> ( translated ): by god my morale is high. praise be to god. praise and thanks be to god we will kick isis from mosul. >> reporter: that confidence is a major turnaround from just two years ago. then, isis rushed into iraq from syria and swept down these very roads, as the iraqi army collapsed and ran away. it was a humiliating shock for the country's security forces. isis declared their conquest a new caliphate, or muslim empire, with the capital based in raqqa
syria, only 140 miles from the border. it was from mosul that the group's leader abu bakr al baghdadi first appeared in public, preaching in the city's grand mosque, demanding obedience from muslims around the world. for the past year iraq's military has been fighting back, retaking former isis strongholds of fallujah and ramadi. now the iraqi military is planning a showdown with isis in mosul. a battle they hope will push the group out of the country. iraqi special forces commander, general maan al saadi, believes isis will soon be on the run. >> ( translated ): no one accepts them, whether civilian or military. we are living in the 21st century. who would accept bloody savages and killers? >> reporter: across iraq the us leads a coalition of 19 countries fighting isis, but the push to re-take mosul will be an iraqi military effort, with us
military support. american air strikes, guided by the precision of surveillance drones, have already hammered isis for more than two years. heavy vehicles, and attack helicopters, designed to press the fight on the ground, can already be seen on u.s. bases here. and last week the pentagon announced an additional 600 u.s. troops are heading to iraq, bringing the number of american boots on the ground to more than 5,000. but the americans will not be on the frontlines. that task falls to these regular iraqi troops. they have already fought isis in other, smaller cities, and now each soldier is getting a month of extra training for the tough door-to-door urban warfare expected in mosul. it will be a huge test for these men, with daesh, as they call isis here, likely to challenge their fighting skills more than
ever before. to prepare for the variety of threats: roadside bombs, booby traps, suicide car bombs and more, coalition partners from the australian military are training these young fighters. they have a clear limited goal. >> when you only have four weeks of training, it's important to keep in the back of our minds that we are not training them to be like us. we are training them to be what they need to be to defeat daesh. so what we say in the training role, amongst the task group, is "make them better than daesh." >> reporter: iraqi soldiers alone cannot defeat isis. the upcoming battle for mosul will involve a complex mix of fighting groups. some at odds with one another. iranian-backed shia militias, like these currently on the frontline near tikrit, will be another fighting element.
accused of taking orders from shiite commanders in tehran, they are blamed for stirring sectarian tensions in sunni areas. mosul is a largely sunni city, and their participation in the upcoming fight has been politically divisive. iran-backed fighters allied with u.s. backed forces, reflect the reality of iraq today. there are many players who have found a common goal in defeating isis, but it's often the only thing uniting them. in northern iraq, peshmerga forces from the semi-autonomous kurdish region near mosul will also play a role in the fight for the city. they have been at odds with the baghdad government for decades, seeking independence and a country of their own. they also see parts of mosul as rightly theirs. this young kurdish fighter told us what motivates him...
>> ( translated ): we are fighting for our land, for our nation. this is for our future. for the future of kurdistan. it is an honor and we will give our lives for this cause." >> reporter: but the kurdish fighters also trained by and allied with the u.s.-led coalition, don't want the shia militias joining the fight. their spokesman told pbs newshour plainly, the kurds do not approve. >> ( translated ): the shia militias are foreigners to the people of that area. they have no relations with the land, and the people. and if they participate, they will create conflict. >> reporter: this is where the battle for mosul will begin. qayarrah, a small town just 35 miles south of mosul, was occupied by isis until they were pushed out just over a month ago. now, some signs of life are returning. at the entrance to the town a hand painted sign reads: here is qayarrah, the key to liberating mosul. isis set fire to qayarrah oil
wells in retreat. this road is the frontline before getting to isis controlled mosul, and all along the front line here it is divided up between the various groups who are fighting isis. it represents just how complex the battle for mosul will be. u.s. major general gary volesky, commander of the army's 101st airborne division, knows the difficulties involved in getting iraq's combative factions to work together. bs newshour traveled with the general to qayarrah air field, destroyed by isis as they left here, he says. this will be the major hub where us support troops and iraqi forces will work together as the offensive gets under way. >> all of the stakeholders do recognize the importance of mosul. i mean, we have been to meetings with both the kurds, the iraqis, a lot of the different stakeholders if you will, and they all understand that they have got to come together to defeat daesh.
and that's what they are doing. >> reporter: in 2003, during the early days of the american occupation here, the 101st airborne was responsible for mosul. colonel brett sylvia knows that role has now changed. >> i am a soldier, and there is no doubt that if you ask me where i wanted to be it would be up front, you know, with a rifle in my hand, leading. but that's not our role today. our role is to advise and assist them, and to be honest with you, it may very well be the right strategy. >> reporter: u.s. commanders hope their latest efforts will prevent another 13 years of bloodshed and fighting. >> i do have a son in the military now. and i do think about it a lot. about how what i am doing today in order to create a long lasting stability such that he may not have to come here. >> reporter: stability of any
kind has eluded this land for so long that refugees fleeing mosul will have to survive in places like this. as many as a million civilians live in mosul city right now. when they flee, the humanitarian crisis could accelerate from grave to disaster. camps are already stretched beyond capacity. the united nations is frantically trying to expand this facility to absorb the expected new arrivals. >> it is also going to start to be raining, and the winter season is going to make construction really challenging, and the living conditions a lot more difficult. so it's really a race against time. >> reporter: despite the hardship, it's better than living under isis rule. >> ( translated ): life is miserable here, but better than where we were before. a price cannot be set for freedom. people's freedom is priceless. >> reporter: how long they must stay here will depend on how the fight for mosul plays out.
defeating isis is a short term goal. but once they have been pushed out of the city, keeping those who have fought them from turning on each other will be the next challenge. their hatred of isis is the only thing that binds many of iraq's fighting forces together. for the pbs newshour, i'm jane ferguson, in qayarrah, iraq. >> woodruff: stay with us, coming up on the newshour, vice presidential politics. a look at the candidates' journeys to the national stage and a preview of the v.p. debate with our politics monday duo. but first, we head to new hampshire, where a tight race between republican senator kelly ayotte and her democratic challenger, the current governor, maggie hassan could
determine which party controls the u.s. senate. lisa desjardins has the story. >> reporter: the start of fall in new hampshire, along with the changing leaves this year, the granite state is home to something else special, a contest between two respected and popular senate candidates. republican u.s. senator kelly ayotte, out gathering votes at an apple festival this weekend, is defending her seat democratic governor maggie hassan, rallying volunteers, is hoping to win it. polls show it is a toss-up race, a sharp partisan fight, even as both brandish they are not. >> we passed a bipartisan medicaid expansion program. we froze in-state tuition at our university system, and actually lowered it at our community colleges. >> i have one of the most bipartisan records in the senate, i've certainly been called a problem solver by the independent group no labels who i worked with. >> reporter: both are former lawyers, both known for their
work ethic, neither is flashy. but hassan charges ayotte is too conservative for the state, in lockstep with the g.o.p. on de- funding planned parenthood, overturning roe vs. wade, and on guns. >> whether it 's standing with the gun lobby rather than expanding gun checks so terrorists can't get guns onlizne or the gun shows. whether it's standing against a woman's right to make her own hc decisions. those decisions by senator ayotte on her positions and her vote really have pulled us backwards. >> reporter: ayotte stands by her position to ban most abortions as a matter of faith, adding she supports access to more contraception. she attacks hassan on taxes, a core issue here. >> in terms of taxes, i'm someone who focuses on low taxes, a better tax climate for businesses and individuals. she has long record of increasing taxes on not only small businesses, campground, fees on the people of new hampshire.
>> reporter: hassan's tax record is complicated: she cut taxes for some but raised them for others, citing urgent needs like fighting the opioid crisis. meanwhile, both candidates are keeping their party's presidential nominees at arms' length. hillary clinton and donald trump were both in new hampshire last week, neither hassan or ayotte joined them on stage. ayotte has said she's voting for trump but not endorsing him. but how do the important people, the voters, see this? jim jalpert runs a thriving family-owned bus company, c&j bus, in portsmouth. jalpert is a registered republican who does not like trump. but between ayotte and hassan... >> if you look at the two of them, they're both really good people. >> reporter: jim has a lot at stake. he's worried about passing on his business to a third generation, his sons, worried about taxes and america's crumbling roads. >> i don't vote for a person based on a single issue.
i vote for a person based on what they're going to do in total. and i look at the two of them and i think that ayotte, with her demeanor and her style, will probably do more for new hampshire. >> reporter: but hassan and democrats would love a so- called "trump drag" on down- ballot races, especially in a place like new hampshire norm ornstein of the american enterprise institute explains. >> if democrats can't win in a purple state with a large number of highly educated voters who are turned off by donald trump they're going to have a much more steep battle in accomplishing the goals of winning the senate. >> reporter: let's look at the senate battle map. to take over the senate democrats need to gain four senate seats, if clinton is president and her v.p. can break a tie, or five seats, if trump wins. democrats have a big advantage. look at the ten most competitive senate seats, nine are red, held
by republicans. what is democrats' best chance at a senate takeover? sources in both parties believe they will pick up illinois and wisconsin, that would be two. in north carolina and missouri, incumbent republicans are on the ropes. if they lose? two more democratic pick-ups, four total. but democrats may lose nevada, or the presidency, so they need to pick up one more seat from a toss-up state like new hampshire. that battle is playing out at the 140-year-old deerfield fair >> who wants fried dough? >> reporter: it's a jumble of food and politics. andrew robertson is splitting his ticket-- voting clinton for president but for senate... >> yeah, i think i'm probably likely to vote for senator ayotte. in large part because of her experience. >> reporter: others are an equal mix. >> well, i really admire maggie hassan. she is, has an incredible work
ethic and a great heart. >> unenthusiastically, i am supporting ayotte. >> reporter: why unenthusiastically? >> well, basically because ayotte has not been as supportive to the republican nominee as she should be. >> reporter: enthusiastic support from the senate will be key to passing the next president's agenda, likely to include several supreme court nominations. norm ornstein. >> this year, i really do believe that the battle for control of the senate is very close in importance to that battle of control for 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> reporter: those high stakes have meant sky-high spending on this senate race, and not from the two candidates, but from dozens of outside groups, a flood of tens of millions of dollars in a state with just over one million people, by far the most spending per person of any senate race.
ads from pro- and anti-gun groups, from planned parenthood, from big money groups on the left and right, creating an airwaves war as two popular candidates try to outperform their parties' presidential nominees. this makes voter contact, in this retail politics state, pivotal. and there ayotte has a challenge: usually senate and presidential campaigns coordinate but not so the republicans year, ayotte is on her own to identify and get out her voters. all this means, right now, it's any woman's race. for the pbs newshour i'm lisa desjardins in portsmouth, new hampshire. >> woodruff: indiana governor mike pence and virginia senator tim kaine may not be as well- known, or as polarizing, as the candidates at the top of the ticket. in fact, polls show more than
one-third of registered voters don't know enough about either of them to form an opinion. this, despite the fact that if elected, trump would be the oldest president to take office, while clinton would be the second-oldest. americans will have a chance to compare the two running mates when they face off on the debate stage tomorrow night in virginia. we take a look now at how the two competitors got to where they are today. today, they represent polar opposites of the political spectrum. but long before they were vying to be the nation's second-in- command, mike pence and tim kaine began their path to politics under strikingly similar circumstances. both were sons of the midwest- in pence's case, columbus, indiana, raised by a gas station owner and a homemaker, in a large irish-catholic family.
>> i'm really just a small-town boy who grew up in southern indiana with a big family and a cornfield in the backyard. >> woodruff: kaine grew up in kansas city, missouri, the elder of two brothers. his father, a metal worker. his mother, a teacher. >> i wanted to be a man for others. somebody who fought for the rights of others, had others' backs, would stand up for others, especially if others wouldn't. >> woodruff: the catholic church played an integral role in both mens' early lives. the jesuit-educated kaine came from a family that he says- cared very much about the church, and very little about politics. jeff schapiro has covered kaine for the "richmond times- dispatch" for more than a decade. >> the jesuit connection is important for several reasons most notably the idea of liberation theology that faith manifests itself in political action.
>> woodruff: like kaine, pence was a catholic school kid- serving as an altar boy- sometimes, seven days a week. the future g.o.p. governor also had an early interest in politics-- democratic politics. >> he was a youth coordinator for the democratic party in his county at one point. he revered the kennedys; he had a bust of j.f.k. he voted for carter, but his politics started to change in college. he said ronald reagan inspired him to become a republican. he thought that reagan embodied the ideals of america that he was raised to believe in. >> woodruff: both men went on to study law. but kaine took a detour to honduras, to work with a jesuit mission. >> when he indicated to the jesuits there that he was a law student, he was told that is not necessarily a skill that is useful in a third world country. and he spent a year teaching
crafts, metalwork, and carpentry to the youngsters at this missionary. >> it convinced me that we've got to advance opportunity and equality for everybody, no matter where they come from, how much money they have, what they look like, what accent they have, or who they love. >> woodruff: after law school, the newly-wed kaine settled in richmond, virginia, to be close to his wife's family and launch his legal career. pence did the same in his home state, indiana, and mulled his next step. >> when he was thinking about what he wanted to do with his life he thought about his gifts, his talents and he thought he had a gift for articulation for advocacy and he wanted to try and use that in some way. >> woodruff: after two failed runs for congress in the '80s, that gift led pence to start his own radio talk show. >> he said that his show was rush limbaugh on decaf. he also likes to say that he's a conservative, but he's not in a
bad mood about it. >> woodruff: also during this time, pence moved away from his catholic upbringing, joining an evangelical christian church in indianapolis. in 2000, pence ran for congress again. the third time was the charm. he quickly earned a reputation as a champion for conservative causes, leading the fight to defund planned parenthood. >> millions of pro-life americans should not be asked to fund an abortion provider in the united states. >> woodruff: but he did not always fall in line with the republican party's leadership- fighting against president bush's signature education program and expansion of medicaid. >> i rise on behalf of the fringe of america. >> woodruff: as pence built his washington resume, kaine was launching himself into virginia politics, first serving on city council, kaine went on to become the first white mayor of richmond, a majority black city-
in nearly a decade. >> his relationship with african americans have been enduring. and it manifested itself not only in politics but also in faith. he and ann attend a black, majority african american roman catholic parish not far from their home. >> woodruff: he went on to serve as lieutenant governor under then governor and now fellow- senator mark warner, and was next elected governor himself. for kaine, the 2008 financial collapse and the nation's worst mass shooting, 32 dead at virginia tech university, would consume his attention. >> as you wrestle with your sadness, as you wrestle with your own feelings of anger and confusion, as you wrestle with the despair, do not lose hold of that spirit of the community that makes virginia tech such a special place. >> woodruff: although governor kaine was unable to convince a
republican legislature to adopt stricter background checks following the shooting, he did close a loophole that had permitted the mentally ill to purchase guns. >> i've always believed that however you serve, what matters is whether you actually deliver results for people. >> woodruff: schapiro says these experiences helped kaine hone his political skills. >> he can be very calculated, he can be very cagey. he has an acute sense of the jugular. >> woodruff: kaine's political star continued to rise. he helped barack obama win virginia in 2008, was named national party chair the next year and in 2012 ran for the senate, and won easily. as kaine entered congress, mike pence gave up his house seat to run for governor of indiana. his tenure has been rocky at times. in 2015, pence signed and defended a controversial law that critics charged would let businesses discriminate against
gays and lesbians. >> the business community in indiana really rose up against it. and then when he agreed to make changes to the law that satisfied neither side: the conservatives thought he had capitulated and the other side thought that the changes didn't go far enough. >> woodruff: pence did earn praise from conservatives for implementing significant tax cuts and signing a stricter state abortion law. donald trump tapped pence to be his running mate just as he was mounting a tough re-election bid in indiana. groppe says pence is motivated by aspirations for higher office, but also by his christian faith. >> it's a central part of his life and i think he also sees it as a reason why- connected to what he's doing in public office. he said he sees public service as a calling. >> i'm a christian, a conservative and a republican in that order. >> woodruff: in a similar vein, schapiro says kaine is driven by
the belief that politics can be faith in action. >> faith becomes the broad umbrella under which kaine operates. i don't know if it's the only thing as i indicated earlier. this is politics. and government as opportunities for change. as instruments for good. this is what interests and motivates kaine. >> woodruff: as we look forward to tomorrow night's vice presidential debate i'm joined by our politics monday team: amy walter of the "cook political report" and tamara keith of npr. so hello to both of you. only six weeks to go, tomorrow and counting this election. let's talk about these vice presidential candidates. amy, this is not a contest that's generated nearly as much debate interest as the first presidential debate. how much is at stake? >> it's almost impossible for these two to generate any more
enthusiasm. you have two candidates in hillary clinton and donald trump that have outsized personalities that suk up the oxygen in the room completely. these two candidates isn't been overshadowed just in debates but on the campaign trail throughout the course in this campaign, and these are already two candidates that aren't particularly known. i think the stakes are pretty high here, especially for mike pence. it is going to be his challenge tomorrow fight to keep the attention away from all the problems donald trump has had this last week or so, many of which have been self-inflicted, and to focus back on the issues and the message that trump and the trump campaign would like to be focused on, mainly to prosecute the case against hillary clinton, barack obama and the path forward. >> woodruff: so, tam, if that's what mike pence has to go, what does tim kaine have to do? >> he has to come out and not have any sunlight between himself and hillary clinton, which he has done a very good
job of falling in line. they didn't necessarily agree on t.p.p., but by the time he was announced as vp, they agreed. also, i think he intends to come out and show separation between mike pence and donald trump and show there are areas where pence and trump do not see eye to eye, where, you know, pence has said this isn't a name-calling kind of campaign, at the same time donald trump was calling people names on twitter. >> woodruff: and we know vice presidential debates may get attention at the time but ultimately have not had a great deal of effect. but we will see. >> it's still going to p be an important discussion, and the question is for how long will we have this discussion? will by the next morning there be another tweet storm or story that detracts us from what came out of this debate. >> woodruff: you both referred to donald trump's controversies
of last week, tam most recently over the income taxes, "new york times" broke the story over the weekend, he lost over $900 million on his return in 1995, suggesting he could have gone 18 years without paying any income taxes. is this something that's likely to affect this campaign? >> this is a fascinating question. the hillary clinton campaign is already out with an ad criticizing him about this. in the last debate, he said this makes me smart. if the ad says, if that makes you supermarkets what does that say about the rest of us? but donald trump is out today saying, i took advantage of the system because that's the system and i can fix it because that's the system. and the $900 million loss in a single year is part of his story, it's part of the story he's been telling about himself, that he went on tough times and that he built himself back up and was able to become this successful businessman once again from the ashes of his
previous businesses. so it's unclear whether this changes the narrative in any way, and it almost feeds the story that donald trump has been telling about himself all along. >> woodruff: is that how you see it? >> the reality is, and you've seen this on the campaign trail, too, you talk to voters about his issues, whether it is -- because we've known for a while now thanks to public record that there were years where he didn't pay taxes. we know he had many of his products outsourced to foreign companies. these are the sorts of things that should hurt a traditional candidate. obviously somebody like mitt romney was hurt severely by this, yet he still has tremendous support among people who see him as a success. as and to the point tam made that he's saying the only person who can destroy a rigged system is somebody who's benefited from a rigged system. >> woodruff: let's talk quickly about some of the other
stories that have been out there by trump. tam, the associated press report today that the women who work for him on the reality tv show "the apprentice" say he uses demeaning remarks and sexist language against them. the ongoing story, the miss universe that dominated the news in the last days. polls have come out showing come damage to him in some states. is this the kind of thing that is -- if the taxes won't res nailt, what about this? >> wherever the focus, is wherever the spotlight is, in a campaign, that hurts that candidate. a couple of weeks, a that was hillary clinton and it was about the pneumonia and the video and the f.b.i. and the e-mails, and you saw her numbers sink. now we've had a very bad couple of weeks for donald trump. his numbers start to get a hit. the question, of course is, how long will this continue and,
more importantly, how long does donald trump help it continue? he's done a masterful job throughout the campaign of taking a one or two-day bad story and turning it into a week or two-long terrible story. >> woodruff: can you draw a line and focus on how he's doing? >> i think you can clearly say the alicia machado story, the miss universe story, and the story about "the apprentice" and the possible sexual harassment on the set is already feeding into the -- and this has taken a long time, the things he said on the howard stern show -- donald trump is not performing well with women, with college-educated republican women, even, not as well as he should be. so there is an effect -- >> woodruff: you're just saying it needs the narrative. >> yes. >> woodruff: hillary clinton has her own worries and the polls continue to show difficult
getting younger voters excited, wanting to vote. i was in georgia this weekend talking to a number of voters who say they're going to vote even among african-americans. >> i think hillary clinton's biggest challenge is the fact she's an emblem of the status quo at a time when people dislike the scats quo more than anything. it's that she's saying the system will be able to solve your problems, when the very people she's trying to appeal to say the system is rigged and broken. >> woodruff: tam, her campaign's aware of this? >> obviously, they're aware of it, they have been doing a lot of events targeted at millennials. her message is targeted at millennials. friday no one noticed because donald trump tweeted a lot before in the middle of the night. but she did a rollout related to national service which is targeted at the very hopes of millennials to give back to their country. >> woodruff: all right, we'll leave it there. a whole lot to go on. six weeks. tamera keith, amy walter, thank you both. >> you're welcome.
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